By Neil Armstrong
B. Denham Jolly Photo credit: Fitzroy Facey |
B. Denham Jolly, award-wining businessman, publisher,
broadcaster and civil rights activist, has sold his radio station and nursing
home business, admitting that, “It was time for stepping back but not at all
for stepping out.”
After almost sixty years as a clerk, technician, teacher,
businessman, publisher and broadcaster, he has other interests, plans to travel
with his life companion, Janice Williams, and has even written a memoir.
His memoir, “In the Black: My Life,” is published by ECW
Press and will be launched in Miss Lou’s Room at the Harbourfront Centre on
February 11 as part of the 2017 Kuumba Black History Month celebration.
During the last week of December, I interviewed Jolly at his
home in Toronto and started by asking him about the opening chapter which
relates an encounter he had with the police a few years ago.
He is 81 and the incident happened when he was 77 years old
resulting in him formally complaining to the Toronto Police Service.
“I’ve always said this from the 70s when Buddy Evans was
shot. It’s not even fair to ask the police to investigate his colleague and
it’s a farce. They could be best of buddies. How do you expect…? Not even that
division, not even that force should investigate their own, given the thin blue
line.”
Jolly’s first job out of Cornwall College in Jamaica was
working at the West Indian Sugar Company plantation, Frome, in Westmoreland –
“the microcosm of colonialism,” he calls it.
He says the whole colonial system from day one was abhorrent
to him because “there was definitely something wrong with it.”
His job at Frome was to weigh the farmers’ sugarcane that
came in to sell to the company.
“Not long after I got there, there was an edict which said
instead of 12 hours a day, now you got to work 16 hours a day. And my colleague
got an increase in salary and I didn’t get any. So I asked the boss and he took
umbrage with it.”
I asked him about how he became so conscious about the
colonial system and whether it had anything to do with his parents or
Garveyites he met in Toronto.
“I wasn’t brought up that way. My father [Benjamin Augustus
Jolly] was a very proud man too. He used to challenge authority so I had all
that in me when I came here and saw the overt racism that was handed out here.”
Jolly soon left Jamaica in the mid-1950s to pursue
postsecondary education at the Ontario Agricultural College (now University of
Guelph), Truro, Nova Scotia (what is now Dalhousie University) and in Montreal,
Quebec.
It was while living in Toronto that he learned about Marcus
Garvey from a Jamaican woman, Violet Williams (later Violet Blackman) who ran a
rooming house where he lived. He also learned more about Garvey from the Black
community leader, Harry Gairey, who was an ardent Garveyite.
To counter the rampant racism of the time, in an effort to
purchase of a house for his family (his wife, Carol; daughter, Nicole; and
twins on their way: Kevin and Michael) in the early 1970s he had to enlist the
support of allies from the Jewish community.
I asked him if he would advise Black Canadians to use this
strategy now.
“I know what appeals
to them and yes, use that strategy because as I’ve also told them I know you
more than you know yourself, to the white people. Strategic-wise, I’m always
ahead of you because you’ve always never had to think about it for your
survival…you always have to think ahead and use precedence to succeed.”
As someone who studied in Ontario, Nova Scotia and Quebec
and lived in Sault Ste. Marie and Toronto, he learned a lot about Canada and
how to deal with systemic discrimination.
“With all these geographical movements and what not I always
paid attention to people’s reactions. It is a strange country, you have to
learn it so I picked up on and observed and digested. And I saw what went on
and it was clear to me what was going on. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to
figure out there are different treatments for different people. Even I myself
noticed that in certain circumstances I was treated differently so I paid attention
to that and learn from it,” he says.
Even when he was teaching in Toronto he had to take umbrage
with his department head and let him know that he is not going to put up with
that.
“I don’t care if I’m the highest guy in this department or
the lowest guy in this department, if you have something to say to me don’t say
it in front of anybody else. Speak to me privately. I just let him know where I
stand.
“And as they’re wont to do which is make comments about
black people in front of white people, they make comments about Indians in
front of me.”
SPEAKING OUT FOR
OTHERS
This came from a sense of fairness, a sense of fearlessness
and a sense of pride that “it might not be me but you, you wouldn’t hesitate to
do it to me so, in essence, it’s holding down my own base speaking to injustice
wherever it occurs. It doesn’t have to be done to me. I have to speak for the
voiceless if I have the power to do it. They can’t fire me; they have to listen
to me,” he says.
For example, when the policeman who killed Buddy Evans was
exonerated in an inquest, he was asked for a comment and said it was “a
judicial abortion.”
His bank manager called him the next day to ask him about
his remarks.
“And I say yeah it is, so I wasn’t afraid even of him. But
to think that my bank manager would be commenting on my comments about a trial
I think is telling. They expect you to shut up and if you’re not in your place
they want to put you in your place. Who are you to be commenting about our
judicial system? Well guess what, I pay taxes and it applies to me. I have a
right to make it and I’m a citizen. This is why the first chance I got I took
out my citizenship papers so then I’m speaking on equal ground with everybody
else. In my mind and legally, I was no longer an immigrant. I was a citizen now
so that gives me the right to speak up against civic matters. They don’t like
to hear the truth; nothing hurt likes the truth. And they don’t like when
someone points out the truth to them. They can’t attack you on the validity of
your objection so they want to attack you on anything else, like your race or
whatever.”
Back to that encounter he had with the police a few years
ago, at the time he was living here for over 60 years, at least 55 of which was
as a citizen.
After formally complaining, he saw the police officer’s
notes where he was referred to as “this 77-year-old Jamaican immigrant” which Jolly
says is “code word to say we just talking about a black man here; don’t worry
about him. That’s code, I know them.”
He says the police have a way of discrediting a person by
their status and are quick to dismiss poor people and those who protest.
“I felt it behooves me, no matter how many businesses I own,
to object because when the police takes liberty with you they don’t ask you
where you work, or if you’re a doctor or lawyer or whatever -- they do it by
the colour of your skin. And as long as I am black I have to let them know that
I don’t like that. They’re not going to ask you where you’re from when they
card you, they’re not going to ask you how much a year you make when they card
you, they just do it because you’re black. That’s the reason they’re stopping
you in the first place so I don’t see myself any differently because I live in
a certain part of town or because I hire so many people. I don’t see myself any
differently from the black guy that’s pumping gas when it comes to that matter,
when it comes to treatment by the police.”
Regarding his applications for a license to operate a radio
station, Jolly does not think that his background as a publisher of the
groundbreaking Black community newspaper, “Contrast,” helped or hindered his
effort.
He says the Canadian
Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) “was
full of politics” in regard to its decisions.
“They would never give me a license if I hadn’t cut in some
of the established broadcasters in on the action. They wouldn’t have given it
to me so part of it is working with them to a certain extent, give them some of
what they want to get what you want…politics.
“They didn’t want to provide a voice for black people; they
didn’t want that. That wasn’t one of their priorities although it says so in
the Act but to them they didn’t see it that way.”
He says the Chair of the Commission the very first time it
ever happened wrote a dissenting opinion that, “’hey, you guys should have
given it to him because it was the most deserving application and it should
have been granted 10 years ago and even today.’ It’s something that’s needed
but they just see it as suppression, they didn’t buy into inclusion.”
After 12 years, three applications, and busloads of money,
the CRTC finally granted Jolly and his team of Milestone Communications a
license in 2000.
He was surprised and very pleased that his daughter, Nicole,
who has a degree from the London School of Economics, applied for a position at
Flow 93.5.
At the time, she had a good job for a consulting company
that had an account with Ford Motor Company and travelled around the world to
research consumer satisfaction in countries such as India, Macau, Ireland,
Germany, England, United States.
BLACK LIVES MATTER TORONTO
Reflecting on Black Lives Matter Toronto (BLMTO), Jolly says
he is very pleased with their actions.
“I’m very happy but at the same time I’m disappointed that
the more things change, the more they stay the same. I’m disappointed that they
still have to and so I give them my unconditional support.”
A few months ago, he invited Sandy Hudson, a co-founder of
the group, to his home to talk and offer encouragement.
“And again, as somebody who has gone through the ropes here,
I wanted her to know that she had my support. Because you think back on the
Dudley Lawses of the world, there
were people in our community who objected to him. And they’re people in our
community that object to Black Lives Matter and I wanted to let her know that,
as what I think a substantial member of our community, that you have my 100%
support, and in fact, here is a contribution.”
He told her: “Don’t let those among us who object influence
you because you’re doing the right thing. They know why they’re objecting but
it’s not a valid reason for you not to be forthright and do your work with
vigour. I thought it was important for them to…when they were camping out at
the police station I went over there to show them my support, to let them know
that senior members of the community or well-intentioned support them. Because
I’m sure they get a lot of flack from their own people for various reasons. And
it’s important, especially in this case, where young people are coming out and
young people of substance.
“I’m pleased that it’s this ilk that has come forward to say
we’re well informed, we know what’s going on and we object to it. You can’t
discredit us on being rabble-rousers or being rebels, we’re in your
universities, and some of us have been through your universities so we’re
authentic. And I agree with them 110%.”
These days, he’s preoccupied with trying to get his memoir
published and is developing 200 acres of land in Jamaica for a hotel and resorts
in the Negril area.
Jolly says he had help from Montreal writer, Peter McFarlane,
Chair of the Writers’ Union of Canada, in putting the book together.
The writing process started with the help of his friend,
veteran journalist and broadcaster, Fil Fraser, who eventually moved away from
Ontario.
It then continued with historian Dr. Sheldon Taylor and was
placed on ice for while before the writing continued with McFarlane.
Once a month, McFarlane would come to Toronto and they would
sit down for hours and talk over a period of 18 months. He would clarify
sections from the last session and they would go over things in the manuscript.
“I’m kinda pleased with it. I’m not sure if people have any
interest in my life but..,” he laughs.
“In the Black: My Life” will be launched at Miss Lou’s Room,
Harbourfront Centre on February 11, 7:00 p.m.-9:00 p.m. The cost of the book is $29.95 U.S./CDN.
I asked him about the significance of February 11 because
his mother, Ina Euphemia Jolly, passed away on that date in 1990 – 27 years
after her husband died in 1963 – and Nelson Mandela was released on that date,
27 years after imprisonment. The book launch will take place 27 years after his
mother’s passing.
There is no particular significance to him in the choice of
the date for the launch. In fact, it was storyteller and bookstore owner, Itah
Sadu, who suggested the date.
“My mother passed away on the night that Mandela was
released because we were in the village and at that time I guess there weren’t
a lot of TVs so a lot of people came over to watch it. They said that -- I
wasn’t there -- they said that she got up and touched the screen when he appeared
and then the next morning she had passed. But she was for justice too, in fact
she was a justice of peace in that area and tried cases in family court and
believed in true justice.
“I was told that at the local courthouse a judge sentenced a
young woman to jail and she got dressed and went down there and made an
immediate appeal to the judge. And said, this woman has young children, you
can’t send her away from her children at this stage. And I think he considered
it. She was just that kind of person. She was the only one that would grant
bail to people after midnight. The police knew that that was the only place
they could go to get someone that was jailed to be released after midnight. She
would get up and grant them bail so she was a just person. She believed in
justice for all.”
The founding president of the Black Business and
Professional Association looked after his mother, Ms. Ina, until her
death. She stayed in her house until she
passed away and had housekeepers, nurses, and he brought her to Canada for
surgeries.
“She was well looked after. I’m happy that I could do it,”
he says.
“In the Black: My Life” is a well-written memoir with
accessible language that sheds much light on Jolly’s journey but also documents
the fight of many Black Canadians against anti-Black racism and systemic
discrimination in this country.
It is well worth reading and should be shared with many
others.
(Tiki Mercury-Clarke, who is mentioned in the book in a
section about Contrast newspaper, as “the
singer-songwriter-composer and cultural historian” will present “Toronto Black
Then” – a ‘musical storytelling about growing up in Toronto Black-in-the-day’
on Feb. 4, 7:00 p.m.-8:30 p.m. at Kuumba
in Miss Lou’s Room at the Harbourfront Centre.)
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